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5/1: I'm sorry to read that the forum is closing, I will miss it as I'm sure many other people will too.  I hope it's not being closed because the officals of Warren City are tired of reading about themselves, the truth hurts. If the City of Warren was run better & if the big wigs really cared about the residents there wouldnt be so much for us little people to complain about.  God bless & everyone take care !!
5/1: Sure gonna miss this forum
5/1: This Forum's closing was inevitable........surprised it lasted this long
5/1: THANK YOU. PLEASE RETURN SOON. EVEN THOUGH ALOT OF US NEVER TOLD YOU, WE "DID" APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. VERY NICE FORUM. GOOD LUCK!
5/1: It's worth a shot, but what can we all do to keep this forum open? We need this site to keep us from jumping out of our skin at someone in person. I beg of you to re-consider. Don't let Warren down, as the city & county has. This site is excellent for information that we can't get otherwise. It helped me in my voting decisions, & it showed me who the real crooks are. It makes me sad to think that I can't reach in here for answers or laughs, or the excitement of an argument. Take a summer break, & say that we can all look forward to an early August re-opening. Thanks for giving me the space to speak & educate my mind . Have a great summer!   JOHN KERRY --PRESIDENT 2004  :)
5/1: I watch from afar, as the storm rolls in
I know where u are I know where you've been
Treachery, Lies Deception Deceit
Prepare my dear for YOUR FINAL DEFEAT

Today is your birthday I remember it well
The next one u have, will be seen from hell
The fame that u sought remember I made!
And a snake once said, dont worry babe

Your withered your tired u semmed to be crazed
Welcome my sweet to the federal maze
U played game well sorry u lost
Happy Birthday tweeter, NOW PAY THE COST!

NO BIZ LIKE SHOW BIZ...ETHEL
5/1: Where will the newly indicted get to smear other peoples character now?  Where will they be able to blame others for their crimes?Where will they go when their last few friends find them out? Where do you turn when the mainstream media will not broadcast your lies?  Sadly, if you take this break to seek the mental help you need, you still may return to society again. No one hates those who are indicted,the feeling is pity,and sadness. Seriously, God teaches us to forgive,as we want forgiven.We live where we always have another chance to live up to our true potential. For those who are in turmoil because of their crimes,I pray you find peace.
5/1:    & now the reason to read WarrenPages is???????     Art Attack
5/1: Happy Birthday, Paladin !!
5/1: VOTE NO BRISTOL SCHOOL LEVY,AGAIN THATS NO.
DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. IF IT PASSES THEY CAN PAY
MY PROPERTY TAXES AND LOSE THEIR HOUSES. THAT
INCLUDES THE TEACHERS WHO ARE PRESSURING THE
STUDENTS. I HOPE THEY READ THIS
NO LEVY,NO TAXES
5/1: thanks and sorry to see you go. going to miss the lois and brenda dog and pony show. good luck!!
5/1: Imagine that,lawsuits for this forum.
the only reason we need lawyers is because they put us in this legal life to keep themselves employed. We all know it and thats why most lawyers are despised by everyone but themselves.
They are their own biggest heros. Leeches on the backside of society. Ya we need them but that is because of them. Dig deep and you might
find a good one and person to. Thanks alot Atty.'s. Go impress yourselves and file more lawsuits to wreck this country.
They ruined it again.
5/1: Suzette from Southington, hope this gets to you.  I'm willing to bet that numerous lawsuits were filed as a result of the vicious, hateful, sladerous comments posted by you and yours.  If those comments weren't lawsuit material I don't know what is.  I'm sorry Holly posted them but they surely contributed to her shutting down this site.  Thanks Southington.  Warren resident.
5/1: Thanks Holly and Lance the forum will be greatly missed by all of us including some enities like the FBI and everyone else investigating this area Im sure. Hope we can get it back up and running in the near future. It was a value that some have not had the full realization of yet.I am sure now that it will be gone reality will set in promptly. Have a great summer.
4/30: Just because this forum is closing, let us all not forget about all the issues that we fought over,& laughed about, & especially the ones that never seemed to get resolved, such as: Fred's radio / money, the burned up county car, the $4000.00, the fabulous old gamblers, the over extended gas cards for employees, the still standing Ames Plaza, & all the other eye sores, & most of all-- THE DAMN SMELLY DUMP!!! It's been real, & it's been fun, but let's not lose sight of the real issues in Warren. I hope this site returns real soon, as this was my means of learning all the news, being handicapped. It made my day go by with lots of thoughts on life. Thanks for the memories! Have a good summer everyone. God bless the U.S.A., our Military, & all our health & safety forces that we can't do without. Peace & Love to all !
4/30: Sure going to miss The Forum. I read it every day before the Tribune. It kept me young...
4/30: WIZDOM:Pray for whoever is running the show.It's in our best intrest.Peace be with you and yours.                                      Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/30: Good bye dear forum. You have given us a place to vent our frustrations. I know many times it got downright ugly. You will truly be missed. i read this site every morning and will be jonesing it for awhile. Good things come to an end. Hopefully warren and the surrounding areas will some day be at peace with one another. But one can only hope. god bless you all.
4/30: I am looking for an answer on how to go about having school board members removed from their position.  Warren City Schools current board members with the exception of Nedra Bowen clearly should not be running a school system overseeing children's educations.  If these board members are not removed there will be nothing left of our schools.  These people say they care and know we as parents are hurting and that is a bunch of bull.  The only thing these people care about is how much their next raise will be and when will they get it.  It is a very sad day when the board decides to close a perfectly good school to transport our children to a school infested with mice and roaches and not enough room for the children that are already there.  What really ticks me off is the fact that there are so many people out there who don't want to get involved because they are involved with you one way or   another.  I will not stop fighting for justice for our children, I will not quit until I see that there are people overseeeing our schools who are really here for the children.  That is what it all boils down to:  the children.  They are the most important factor here and you as board members have not even considered them once.  And don't tell me that you were once a teacher and you know that these children won't be affected, because that is so not true.  I don't know where you were a teacher but I am so glad my children didn't have you.  You obviously don't know anything about children.  If anybody out there can help me, I would really appreciate it.
4/30: I cant believe that someone thinks Warren City Health Dept. can show their teeth when they need to. They can close Soul 77 and nail Golden Gate but they cant do a D$%* thing with Warren Recycling when that place makes people sick everyday. Get with the reality of the program PLEASE!
4/30: To the poster about the Chicken Coop. Yes they had a fire and it was set. Thepolice have the person who set it and they will re-open soon.
4/30: I will miss the Forum!  I'm sorry to hear that you have to shut it down.  Sure have enjoyed the daily bashings! Just want to thank you for letting all the Southington residents vent. Things are getting pretty much back to normal, thank God! And to the Warren people who couldn't stand to have us on your pages - that's OK - summer is here and after all, we've got them thar' fields to plow and hawgs to slop and manure to spread!!  
Suzette
4/30: I'm really going to miss the arguments and accusations on this page. It's been so fun to have a coffee and read Warrenpages. It will be so boring now around Election Day. Thanks for keeping it real. I hope they change their mind and re-open it soon! If they don't, we'll all still have our own opinion who is behind it!  ;)
Editor's Note:  I think we will have to reopen it at least at election time!
4/30: Reeses...sorry it took so long to respond...Please tell me what ya can about him. The rumors that have been circulating about aren't good ones. I want the dirt! -Trinity- Hope you get this before they close this forum!
4/30: Can you blame Tannyhill for wanting to live somewhere nicer? This is america
4/30: Free Jim!!!!!!
4/30: <4/29: When will people wise up. Republicans <will not give this area jobs because we never <vote for them. Democrats will never give us <jobs because they know we will vote for them <no matter what they do.
ABSOLUTELY! (Remember the Pentagon Payroll Center)
4/30: to KSU, schools should never be operated by business people , they are programed to see profits only.. how shallow and uniformed that post was, if you think new computers will make your children smarter you are saddly mistaken more teachers with smaller class sizes makes kids smarter , computers are babysitters and show you would rather have people watch your children instead of educate them , yet this is warren , will see in ten years how your kids are doing
4/30: Sorry to see the feedback forum will not continue.  Once again,we will meet at coffee shops,McDonalds,donut places and vent our anger.  The feedback forum has been a tremendous outlet for the news to find its way to the public. Special word of thanks for the discussions of the ongoing corruption probes. Those who know they are in deep trouble will breathe a sigh of relief thinking their crimes will not be discussed by the general public.However their larceny will come out in courtrooms, both state and federal,and they will face TOTAL justice.   Holly and Lance ,you have served us well, with dignity and compassion.  God Speed
4/30: No one said anything about the bills at WANR the question was RENT and any station that lets the Hanni group operate the HATE RADIO they do will get lots of scrutiny.  The complaints to the FCC will be fast and numerous.  You have been warned.
4/30: IS THIS A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY? THE LOST ENJOYMENT OF READING THIS FORUM WILL BE FELT?
4/29: From the front page:
     "Tim Ryan began his career in politics as a congressional aide with the U.S. House of Representatives in 1995..."
     I hope this didn't come from a bio given to WarrenPages from the congressman. I think it's plain to see that Ryan's former boss' name is glaringly omitted.  Mr. Traficant gave Ryan a plum position as a congressional aide as he began a career in politics.  Now it appears that Traficant is persona non gratis.  Such is the world of politics. I hope I'm wrong
4/29: Since this will be my last post, due to the forum ending, I would like to thank Lance & Holly for their magnificent work, which I will truly miss. I can only hope that the feedback site won't be down for long. Through all the craziness we have all shared, in good times & in bad, it's just one more thing that us from Warren will lose. May God bless each & every one of you, please pray for our soldiers safe return, & stay safe in all that you do, but most of all, please put John Kerry in the White House! I sincerely hope that the technical difficulties, the law suit threats, & the time needed, can be overcome in a very short time. I will keep an eye open. Thanks for everything!
Missing it already  :(
4/29: KERRY this guy ,this is not my kind of guy..Kerry is way out far left...statistics say that 98% of blacks will vote for him plus 98%of the Jews and 98% of the Hollywood freaks. Now mind you its a free country and these are just stats but it tells a tale we know to well. 
4/29: WANR has paid it's billson time and in full. Give us acall at 399-7700 to see the bills
4/29: WIZDOM:To the person that does'nt know who we are defending ourselves from.Try the following! wwwmiraserv.com it's in Arabic and English.(M.I.R.A.)Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia check out the Abu Hamza interview with Al-Ayyam newspaper,Aug.10,1999 at www.Al-Ayyam.yemen.com/freedom/interview.html.         see www.supportersofshariah.org/eng/abuhamza/html.  "99"bin Laden interview by Al-Jazeera,the transcript is available at www.terrorism-com/terrorism/binladentranscript.shtml. also at www.al-bab.com/yemen                            www.qoqaz.com.my/qoqaz/fatwa/muqbil.htm.        It is WIZE to know your enemy.Hope I have been helpfull.                                       Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/29: One has to wonder why a resturant that is cited for 77 violations is allowed to remain open and given a time that the health violations must be corrected, I would sort of think maybe it would be closed untill it could be made safe??????
4/29: WIZDOM:To the guy and or girl with the spelling fetish.I will attempt to make this as simple as possible.To begin with,my name is WIZDOM.Allways was and will remain so untill I die.I have never failed to identify myself,believing it makes correspondance easier.Next, I would like you to know that I'm not writing a resume,or seeking political office,therefore I have no need of approbation.And in conclusion,only a anal sphincter would admit to being burdened with comprehending such elementary text.A truly WIZE man knows,It is ONLY the THOUGHT that counts!   Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/29: Congratulations to the Warren city health department for coming down hard on The Golden Gate.  Warren must protect its citizens from the possibility of food poisoning.  The Dept,led by Mr Pinte,and the board of health showed they will show their teeth when needed. Special kudos to Margeret Scott for the outrage she displayed at these diplorable conditions.
4/29: To All Feedback Readers, it has been a fun time, I know it was all in fun, we are family. I will miss the daily rantings and ravings, praises and dissessss,election rambles and a few atta boys in the mix. Good Bye and Good Life to all.
4/29: to "vermin lawyers":

castigate lawyers as much as you want.... when you need one, you'll be sure to adjust your delivery.  I would tone it down a bit if i were you since you are obviously not aware, inter alia, of what you are saying.
4/29: Hmmm ... Christopher Tanneyhill made a $90,000 property purchase in NILES! Looks like there are so many employees beating the residency system, why bother. The warren residency law is a farce and might as well be done away with
4/29: When will people wise up. Republicans will not give this area jobs because we never vote for them. Democrats will never give us jobs because they know we will vote for them no matter what they do.
4/29: To the Editors: I will miss reading most of the comments posted in the Forum and wish to thank you for allowing us this freedom.  It's a shame that some found it necessary to name call and slander one another and ruin the good thing for the rest of us.  Thank you  -  and I look forward to the day when the Forum will be open again
4/29: I hate to see Warrenpages eliminated, I would like to know, how any reader can bring a law suit against the Tribune, when it is the public writing their own comments.  The people of Warren need a place to vent their concerns about our fair city and the levels of corruption that exist, I am sorry the truth hurts. So, I implore you not to close the forum, but leave us an outlet to vent.
4/29: No more comments to be written or read? Boy, I understand how hard it is to keep up with all of it and the fees we pay don't cover your time, but I want you to know how much I will miss it and that has become a part of my life and puts me in the loop of things that I would never know anything about.

So, I will not be negative or whine, but thank you for the time and efforts all of you have done for all of us here and want you to know it has been very much appreciated. Good luck to all of you and thank you so much. 
Marilyn
4/29: We will MISS this forum!!
wonderer
4/29: What a shame, Warrens Only Local Forum is leaving for now. I hope it can return soon but it is very difficult to run an absentee ownership business. When the business was in Warren, Ohio not New York the owners had much better control of the content. The owners could work their great restaurant North Perk and the Warren Pages from the same building. With Lance going to the Northwest and Holly, the Northeast the business just could not survive.
I am sorry things did not work out for you two as you were a great couple but we all have our problems. Warren’s loss will be Minn. and NY's gain. I would like to wish you folks he best of continued success and remember you will always be a part of Warren as I hope Warren will always be a part of you.

Good Luck and God Bless Lance Fensterman and Holly Zoba.
4/29: Wizdoms latest posting is one the best yet, he tries to hide his ignorance by purposely misspelling words. A real sign of insecurity. I do believe a nerve was hit with poor wizdom. His behavior suggests that he is very limited educationally and probably barely graduated high school
4/29: & the other reason to look @ this site is?????
4/29: To: Warren Pages

ref: Reader Feedback Forum

I want to say I am sad to read that an indefinite hiatus will be taken by this feature.
I also want to thank you for the service and entertainment that has been given to us by this media.
I guess I will have to cancel my check, Oh wait I did not pay anything for this, it was free!
Thanks again, I enjoyed starting my day reading about the Hanks, the Dans, the Southington 7 and all of the rest of the cast of our wacky valley. Thank you, Rick (the Flasher)  
4/29: Does anyone Know if the Original Chicken Coop on Parkman Rd has burned down?  There is a rumor going around that a lady working there set fire to the place.
4/28: John Kerry Must Go
Note to Democrats: it's not too late to draft someone—anyone—else
April 27th, 2004 11:45 AM
Related Info:
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Say What?

WASHINGTON, D.C.— With the air gushing out of John Kerry's balloon, it may be only a matter of time until political insiders in Washington face the dread reality that the junior senator from Massachusetts doesn't have what it takes to win and has got to go. As arrogant and out of it as the Democratic political establishment is, even these pols know the party's got to have someone to run against George Bush. They can't exactly expect the president to self-destruct into thin air.

With growing issues over his wealth (which makes fellow plutocrat Bush seem a charity case by comparison), the miasma over his medals and ribbons (or ribbons and medals), his uninspiring record in the Senate (yes war, no war), and wishy-washy efforts to mimic Bill Clinton's triangulation gimmickry (the protractor factor), Kerry sinks day by day. The pros all know that the candidate who starts each morning by having to explain himself is a goner.

What to do? Look for the Dem biggies, whoever they are these days, to sit down with the rich and arrogant presumptive nominee and try to persuade him to take a hike. Then they can return to business as usual—resurrecting John Edwards, who is still hanging around, or staging an open convention in Boston, or both.

If things proceed as they are, the dim-bulb Dem leaders are going to be very sorry they screwed Howard Dean.
4/28: Dear Senator Kerry ...
By Walter Cronkite


Dear Sen. Kerry:

In the interests of your campaign and your party's desire to unseat George W. Bush, you have some explaining to do. During the primary campaign, your Democratic opponents accused you of flip-flopping on several important issues, such as your vote in favor of the Iraq War resolution.

Certainly your sensitivity to nuance, your ability to see shades of gray where George Bush sees only black and white, explains some of your difficulty. Shades of gray don't do well in political campaigns, where primary colors are the rule. And your long and distinguished service in the Senate has no doubt led to genuine changes in some positions. But the denial that you are a liberal is almost impossible to reconcile.

When the National Journal said your Senate record makes you one of the most liberal members of the Senate, you called that "a laughable characterization" and "the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life." Wow! Liberals, who make up a substantial portion of the Democratic Party and a significant portion of the independent vote, are entitled to ask, "What gives?"

It isn't just the National Journal that has branded you as a liberal. So has the liberal lobbying group Americans for Democratic Action. Senator, check your own website. It says you are for rolling back tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, for tax credits to both save and create jobs, for real investment in our schools. You've voted, in the words of your own campaign, for "every major piece of civil rights legislation to come before Congress since 1985, as well as the Equal Rights Amendment." You count yourself (and are considered by others) a leader on environmental protection issues.

You are committed to saving Medicare and Social Security, and you are an internationalist in foreign policy.

What are you ashamed of? Are you afflicted with the Dukakis syndrome - that loss of nerve that has allowed conservatives both to define and to demonize liberalism for the past decade and more? You remember, of course, that it was during the 1988 presidential campaign that George Bush I attacked Democrat Michael Dukakis both for opposing the Vietnam War and for stating he was a card-carrying member of the American Civil Liberties Union. Both proved, Bush said, that Dukakis was a liberal. Dukakis responded to that as an attack on his patriotism. He defended neither liberalism nor the ACLU.

Dukakis might have responded by saying: "I am surprised, Mr. Bush, that you are not a member of the ACLU. We do not have to agree on all the positions that the ACLU may take on this issue or that, but we should applaud its effort to protect the rights of Americans, even those charged with heinous crimes." Dukakis might have defended liberalism as the legacy of FDR and Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy - none of whom were anything like 100 percent liberals but all of whom advanced the cause of a truly liberal democracy.

But by ducking the issue, Dukakis opened the way for the far right to make "L" for liberal a scarlet letter with which to brand all who oppose them. In the course of that 1988 exchange, Bush offered a telling observation, saying, in effect, that liberals don't like being called liberal. You seem to have reaffirmed that analysis.

If 1988 taught us anything, it is that a candidate who lacks the courage of his convictions cannot hope to convince the nation that he should be given its leadership. So, senator, some detailed explanations are in order if you hope to have any chance of defeating even a wounded George II in November. You cannot let the Bush league define you or the issues. You have to do that yourself. Take my advice and lay it all out, before it's too late.
4/28: Wizdom, How can you possibly compare bad boy Bill, to Kerry? There is nothing to compare. No-where was it said that I judged Bush, but that it was a proven fact that he was a bad president. I am glad that I do not have to judge anyone, as if it were so, Bush would be long gone by now.May God be with us if he gets re-elected. What's that word? DICTATOR? Coming soon to an area near you. Even if I didn't vote for anyone, I would make it a special trip to be the first to cast my ballot against Bush! P.S. I appreciate the feedback. That's what makes this country FREE. Have a nice day.
4/28: Re: WARNING. Do you know that the almighty Bush, war monger president, is NOT in charge of this war, as he had to be "tutored" in foreign policy matters, therefore letting the MILITARY handle this mess, so as not to muddy his hands, come investigation time? Bush couldn't steer this country out of a wet paper sack unless someone else gave him directions! Just wait untill this all comes out in the wash. Why is he being so secret & not being sworn in to tell the truth, with his pal Cheney, for the 9-11 commission tomorrow, & why isn't he permitting it to be documented? It sure isn't because of National security! And WHY does he "NEED" Cheney at his side? Maybe because he can't find the right answers known as the TRUTH! It's because he doesn't want to purger himself, for fear of prison! I am tired of him lying to this country, & putting our kids in danger, & now our families, due to these terrorist hating us so much now. He needs to be IMPEACHED! VOTE KERRY!
4/28: WIZDOM:To that there ubove average I.Q.with proper grammar Fella.Hells bells ,aint no need fer apologizen to no igorant ass what goze round speaken in,whats that ya say,volumes of circles with bad gramur!Shoot,I'm feelen lucky coz yuz riten me.And I'ma goona tell ya what else,I'ma goona get me one of them there gramur books,and I'ma getten one of those outer space books to,soes I can be ubove average just like you!Golly gee and shuzam,I'ma just a knowen wen I'ma dun reeden I'ma goona sound all smart just like you!!But could ya tell sumthen?Do ya get a trophy ,or a plak,or sumthen wen ya get ubove avreage smarts?And who tells ya that?Ya know, I heard tell of some WIZE guy that said the Prophet Muhammad was illiterate!Thats rite the man could'nt read or rite a lick!Matter a fact,he had some guys fowllowen around em all the time and when he'ld go into a fit and start talken them ol boys with him would rite down what it was he was a sayen!If he would have had proper fetchen up,and a gramur book who knows what all he coulda been? Thats y I'ma thanken ya.                                             Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/28: C'mon, you know that Hanoi Jane Fonda pic was fake. I am surprised that you would resort to fiction in an attempt to campaign for Bush,the Weapon of Mass Deception.
MYTSLYER
4/28: Could someone please check this out.  I understand that WANR radio on the court house square hasn't paid the city one dime of rent in over ten years.  Warren is always crying "we're broke" they want to raise taxes but they never go after the rent they are owed.  What's wrong with this?
4/28: Public corruption is not only about dishonest politicians. It is akso about the crooked lawyers,businessmen,and citizens that uphold their practices. In many cases ,lawyers are the brokers of this plague,   We are lucky to have many fine members of our local bar.But in the shadows are the few, the terrible few, that will do ANYTHING to get a retainer.These vermin take the cash and forget the client. It would be rewarding to follow Shakesperes advice, and first get rid of the lawyers.  I hope the probes will find these people in their ratholes and bring them to justice.
4/28: What’s the deal with this Dawn Marzano and her big bucks?  One can only wonder.
4/28: As I ponder the recent stories about the Warren City Schools, the outrageous salaries of the Administration Staff and their appalling results and the systems ranking in the county, the more upset I become.  Betty, be a leader.  Admit that you and your assistant can’t run this ship and return part of your salary.  Demand too, that all your administrators do the same.  Your salaries were the city’s best kept secrets.  No more, no more I say to you and all your levies.
4/28: The person who calls himself wizdom should quit using words that he can't spell.  A truly wise man will not attempt to promote himself beyond his capabilities.  Sorry, but you're mighty hard to comprehend.
4/28: I'm sick and tired of everyone claiming the traffic light at Country Club Drive was put up as some kind of deal.  How many times does it have to be said, the lights were installed based upon a study by the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT).  An ODOT grant paid for the study and the installation.  Since it was paid for by your tax dollars it is a public record and anyone is entitled to a copy of the study and report determining why a light was needed at that intersection.  Instead of passing on rumors and speculation why don't you contact ODOT and request a copy of the report.  This will tell why it was determined a light was needed at that location.
4/28: In response to KSU on 4/27, Well put.
DSR
4/28: Dear WARNING,

You mentioned Kerry wanting to work with the UN before defending ourselves. Right now our children are dying in Iraq, and Iraq didnt do anything to us? Are we defending ourselves from Iraq? Nope. We are fighting in Afghanistan and they didnt bomb us, 19 Saudis did (Bin-Laden has nothing to do with the Saudis). So im not really sure who we are defending oursleves against but I think Kerry is a much better pick than Bush, because all he has done is send our troops to get shot, steal money, lye, ruin the economy, export jobs, and get our oil to cost more. If you think Kerry is bad because he wants to work things out the civil way, then i bet you have a database full of "your a redneck if" jokes.
4/28: WOW! The article about Mikie o'brien and timmie
ryan speaking at JFK confirms what I already knew they have NEVER had a real job working for the private sector. mikie has been on the public dough his whole life it looks like timmie will never get a real job either. I guess mikie will someday be carried out and it will be from old age. I guess I'll be one of you who will always be suporting him because he and I are around the same age. The younger people will probably be supporting timmie. OH WELL! it's business as usual in this area change is out of the question. I gave up myself
because what's the use in getting involved because honest people will never have a chance
these people are owned and can be controlled
and of course take their orders from the people in sunglasses. I guess like most of you can't lie, cheat or steal and of course go against everything that you believe in right or wrong and to live like that you'd have to sell your soul to these people.
4/28: <<<stop the downward spiral of mediocrity.....>>>

Loved every word you wrote - you are right on....can you run for the board??
4/28: sorry for the monicker confusion to "Say it ain't so"... your are welcome to keep it, as I have inadvertently used this as a closing, when appropriate!
4/27: It's always about the money, isn't it, Mr. Joseph??
4/27: WIZDOM, I do think I have upset you, for which I apologize. However, I find that your words speak volumes of circles, & do believe that it would behoove you to subscribe to Grammar teachings. As for Yo, you amaze me. Your thoughts are critical to the well being of a highly decisive voter of the Kerry era, for which I applaud you. To Liberal, words are unapproachable for your thoughtful insights on the Green ones with no knowledge from space, for which was all in fun to enlighten your day, and to make a smile upon your face, from a highly knowledgeable human from earth, to which you have no concept of understanding such identities of such powerful idealogical avenues.In your low scholar terms, shall read, someone with an above average IQ. Have a good day to one and all. Peace, love, happiness, and wishful thoughts to stimulate the brain.
4/27: Tommy Boy, you and your computer staff must have way to much time on your hands. You only working on DOWNTOWN projects.  Computer staff running all over town on personal business. Can someone please explain to the residence why they are placed at wpc. Council this is only one of many reasons why Mr. Angelo thinks he has power.  Because what he says goes in his world. Please slow him down before the city runs out of money trying to fund his projects. Mayor layoffs are right around the corner. He will put the city in the hole like his department. Please explain to the residence why the stormwater engineer is at all the downtown projects, that has nothing to do with storm issues.
Irish Bull
4/27: ...WARNING...John Kerry believes that America should submit to the United Nations before defending ourselves. Can you imagine cowing down to this anti American federation of nations that hate our guts. John boy makes Clinton look like a conservative. How sad this was the best candidate the dems could get.... pathetic...
4/27: A few days ago, as I drove across the Bypass on my way to work at 5:30 AM, I smelled something that I thought was hydrogen sulfide.  But not being sure, I passed it off as fertilizer or something.  This was right around TCTC.  Hydrogen sulfide is not a smell you forget.  After some conversation with other people in the area this evening, they also said they smelled it.  And, like me, weren't sure what it was.  Seems when the 'Dump' puts it in the 'sanitary' sewer, there are leaks somewhere and everyone gets to share the wonderful scent.  If you think Warren Recycling is just a 'Leavittsburg problem', think again.  This stuff is poison and soon we ALL get to share it.  This is not the first time that the smell has been reported in the Brookside/Champion area.  The number for the the Odor Hotline is  800-686-6330-ext.212.  Follow the prompts if no one answers.  With the weak laws that are in place, anyone with enough savvy can start a landfill ANYWHERE.  It could be in your backyard.  Look what is going on in Hubbard.  Time to stop this nonsense.  Won't happen over night but can happen if we say no more.  Contact the local representatives and voice your opinion.  Remember, silence implies consent.
4/27: I'm hoping someone can tell me if Warren has recieved some sort of award that was in the Sunday USA or Parade magazine? My friend that I grew up with who is now out of state said that she heard about the award and wanted to know if I knew more about it. I missed the article if it was there. I'm hoping somone at the Warren Pages can fill me in on any info about it. Thanks! Loretta M. you can reach me at rljean@onecom.com
4/27: Putting things in perspective. 4/27/04
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....in the fair city of Detroit; there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.
Worst president in history?
The following appeared in the Durham, local paper as a letter to the editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in perspective: Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but... It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Dravidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!! Our military is GREAT! And George W. Bush is a truely great President! PASS IT ON !!!
4/27: Reading the Sunday Tribune and seeing what non-teaching personnel are being paid and then seeing their results in Monday’s paper, I made the decision to never vote for another school levy until I see major salary cuts and major student improvements.
Paul Trina salary of $81,157.00 is just one example.  Not only unbelievable, unconscionable, unwarranted and on the verge of thievery, but folks, is he really needed.  Some one on that level should give back to the community.  Has any one ever seen him do any thing for the community?  For that matter, how many school employees give any thing to the people that employ them?  Very few.  And we all know he’s not the only one on that list that’s overpaid and under worked.  The system appears to have two superintendents, two personnel directors, two food managers and a host of other non productive free loaders.  The Warren City School salaries appear to have topped both Trumbull County and Warren City.  It’s a sad and gloomy day when the area’s top salaries are paid by the weary tax payers. Let’s see action from this Board of Education.  Cut salaries, cut positions, demand accountability, demand improvement.  Stop the downward spiral of mediocrity, the ever growing excuse making, and most of all the pandering to the over paid bureaucrats.
4/27: WIZDOM:To the person that does'nt care what Kerry did in the past just as long as he brings jobs,and affordable health care to the valley!You have to be kidding!By the time he teamed up with Hanoi Jane he had become a Lieutenant and finished his military duty!Not an 18 year old kid that should'nt be held accountable!As for his wifes buisness being none of our buisness,because she's not going to run the country!How can you be so sure?The last Democrat we made President,BILLary made HILLary ANCILlary!!For those haveing a hard time understanding WIZDOM,that simply means Bill made his "OL" lady Co/President.You remember when he said we got two for the price of one,and again when he said,"Hillary and I have decided you will have to pay your FAIR SHARE?Sure you do,it was just the year before he said,"Oops,we did'nt really need that much additional TAX MONEY, but what the hell we'll keep it anyhow!!Now about your statement,we should'nt Judge Kerry.Were not God and only God can Judge.Your very next sentence,YOU JUDGED BUSH?Are you saying we the people and God should only Judge BUSH and stay out of John an Terrie Kerry's buisness? I will be anxiously awaiting your responce!                         WIZDOM to I just do'nt get it.The reason for Bush being tuff on Defense has nothing to do with us getting nailed on 9/11!Those murdering scum had been in country plotting for years,not months.His tuff comes from the fact that no Administration prior had the nads to do anything more than throw a token counter punch and run!And I do'nt know how true it is but I heard that we may have been better prepared for 9/11 if dubya was'nt running back and forth from Washinton and New York in a U-HAUL returning all the White House furnishings the Clinton's tried to steal!!What do you think?    Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/27: The Hanni's invade Trumbull County.  After years of being the scurge of Mahoning County the Hanni's are trying to take over in Trumbull County.  After losing his state job with ODOT Don Hanni III started a radio program in Warren.  Bringing with him some notorious dirtbags to do his dirty work.  All politicians should avoid this group like the plague.  Any that associate with them should be watched carefully.  Trumbull County has enough problems with out these characters.
4/27: CONG. RYAN and MAYOR O'BRIEN LECTURE

INSTEAD OF SOUNDING OFF IN THESE WARRENPAGES COME HEAR TWO OF THE MAIN POLITICIANS FOR THIS AREA.

ON MONDAY MAY 10th BOTH CONG. RYAN AND MAYOR O'BRIEN WILL BE LECTURERS AT THE NEXT JFK/St. Mary's ALUMNI ASSN. DISTINGUISHED LECTURE SERIES.  THE LECTURE IS FREE AND WILL BE HELD AT 7:00PM AT THE JFK AUDITORIUM.

BE OUR GUEST AND HEAR THEIR TALKS AND THEN ASK THEM ALL THE TOUGH QUESTIONS THAT ARE FOUND IN THE WARRENPAGES FORUM.

HOPE TO SEE ALL YOU FORUM READERS AT JFK ON MONDAY MAY 10th AT 7:00PM.

RICK SMITH, JFK/SM ALUMNI ASSN. PRESIDENT 
4/27: RE: Warren City Schools; And Now the Rest of the Story

Several years ago, the Warren City Board of Education arbitrarily added the title of "executive director" to most of the administrative positions.  Along with this new title was an additional 7-10% raise. No additional duties or responsibilities were added, but the title was a way for the board to use smoke and mirrors to add the raises. How and why should there be an:

·Executive Director of Human Resources
·Executive Director of Business Operations
·Executive Director of Research, Technology &  
Federal Programs
·Executive Director of Development & Student -
Community Services

when there is no actual director position? The organizational hierarchy is out of whack!

Perhaps the most egregious administrative decision was the FACT that athletic director Paul Trina not only got a raise, but close to half of his duties and responsibilities were given to the newly hired high school football coach Thomas McDaniels, who was given a newly created position of supervisor of physical activities and athletic facilities.  NICE! Take away duties and responsibilities and get a raise on top of it!  It is not a well-kept secret within the school district that Mr. McDaniels is actually making his $65,192 per annum as a football coach.  There is little to document and support that he actually performs any other duties.

These raises are out of line with the usual 3% given to all other employees and the private sector in general.  Is it any wonder that the recent decisions concerning the closing of schools, laying off teachers, and hiring new personnel has raised the ire of many citizens, parents, and district employees?  Coupled with these mistakes, is the fact that the taxpayers placed their fiscal trust in the board.  The board of education should expect to hear the vexation of throngs of disgruntled citizens, employees, and parents for years to come, as a result of these poor administrative acts. 

While the members of the board of education are not expected to be “experts” on education, they are expected to be the guardians of the taxpayers’ checkbook! Remember, the Warren City Board of Education will be asking the public to support additional taxes in forum of an operating expenses levy in the future.  Do you want to give them more public monies to mismanage?
4/27: Is it just me or do other people think the new rock piles, they call planters, downtown are simply horrible!  They do not match one building downtown.  Lets see if we can find something else that doesn't match and looks like crap and stick that in the already ugly downtown.  Shouldn't someone be held accountable?
4/27: Residents of Warren are concerned with some of the board of education’s recent decisions.  Though the closing of McKinley elementary is sad, it is clearly time.  Students in our city deserve the chance to have computer labs, full size gyms, temperature controlled classrooms, etc. The students in school now are getting the same basic education (English, Math, science, social studies) as thirty years ago, but students are not getting the education they need with computers and other technologies from the school system.     
The new schools that are set to open in 2008 will give the students of our city the type of education that they will need to attend college, perform better on standardized tests and obtain computer skills early in their childhood that will be a necessity for their future employment. 
To the person who suggested that a school system should run like a business and the persons who run it should have business related degrees: I believe you’re right.  Having people that know how to micromanage money could only be a benefit to the taxpayer and the student.
During this transitional phase of our school system from the old buildings to the new ones, the board of education will probably have to make other decisions many residents will not agree with.  As a community, all we can do is hope that these decisions will help make the system a better place for the student to learn and its budget stronger and more efficient.

KSU
4/27: To the person who posted the article about:

http://www.blaqsun.com/warren.html

I am a member of Blaqsun, and appreciate your feedback about our song.  As Chief Mandopolous said, this is America and everyone is entitled to their opinion. 
    As far as the song is concerned, the two criminal names, Alphonse Hogan and Lyndel Kimble were mentioned in the song because they are te two names that most people are familiar with. In no way shape or form did we ever in the song claim their innocence in the crimes they committed, that is a judge's responsiblity. Just as it our penal system's resonsibility to punished them, not the rogue Warren police officers who have taken on the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner.  Are you advocating a 'Judge Dredd' law system??
     Also if you read all the lyrics you would see that we also said there are 'countless others'... who are not criminals but routine traffic stops that receive ILLEGAL cavity searches, and these rogue officers don't deny they did the searches and in fact said they will continue to do ILLEGAL cavity searches!!! 

     If you read all the lyrics we wrote the song not to cry or complain, but to help the warren community get their police and fire tax levies passed in the future. As of right now the community, not just the black community, the whole community has turned down the levy, because of these rogue officers. I actually feel the police force and fire dept need the extra finances to protect YOU and YOUR FAMILY.  So we took on the burden of this song because YOU wouldn't stand up for YOURSELF, YOUR FUTURE and YOUR FAMILY. Is it by chance the fireman wanted their own separate levy...they knew the police being attached to the tax levy would cause it to be defeated... Is it by chance that in the last year alone complaints against the police dept were 59 and in the two previous years they were 25 each year.  Is it by chance that after this song was release Chief Mandopolous ordered the entire department to go through a community-relations training course...
    We Do Our Research... in the future, do yours and don't bite the hand, or rappers, that reach out to help YOU and YOUR FAMILIY...

Laurence J Haley ~ www.Blaqsun.com
4/27: If a Board of Education member does not live in Warren, would that have any effect on any vote that he casts at a Board of Education meeting?
4/27: IN RESPONSE TO THE BELOW COMMENT:

IT IS NOT THE DRUG DEALER, BEHIND ME IN TRAFFIC THAT I FEAR, IT'S THE WARREN POLICE OFFICERS.  I DO NOT, IN ANY WAY, CONDONE DRUG DEALING NOR IN THAT SAME RESPECT DO I CONDONE POLICE BRUTALITY THAT IS THOUGHT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE NEGATIVE LIFESTYLE SOMEONE MAY OR MAY NOT LEAD.  HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THE FULL-BODY CAVITY SEARCHES THAT ILLEGALLY TAKE PLACE BY WARREN POLICE OR CASES WHERE AN OFFICER IS SUSPENDED FOR KEEPING THE DRIVERS LISCENSE OF 15 CITIZENS BUT HAS THE NERVE TO CONTEST HIS SUPENSION AND REFUSE TO RETURN THEIR LISCENSE SO IS GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL SUSPENSION.  ARE WE ALL DRUG DEALING, TAX EVADING IDIOTS DESERVING OF THOSE BEATINGS, FULL-BODY CAVITY SEARCHES, OUR LISCENSE TAKEN AWAY, ALONG WITH OUR DIGNITY AND GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.  "THEY BEAT ONE, THEY BEAT US ALL" CONVEYS THAT A COMMUNITY IS ENTIRELY AFFECTED BY THE ACTIONS OF THOSE WARREN POLICE OFFICER THUGS WHO HIDE BEHIND A BADGE CLAIMING THEY PROTECT AND SERVE!!!  WHY WOULD I NOT "TAKE ON SOMEONE ELSES BURDEN AND PERSONALLY RELATE IT TO MYSELF" AM I NOT MY BROTHER'S KEEPER!  ARE YOU?  YOU PROBABLY RESIDE IN THE SUBURBS OF WARREN AND HAVE NEVER TRUELY EXPERIENCED ANYTHING REMOTELY RELATING TO THE ISSUES THAT GO ON IT THE HEART OF THIS COMMUNITY OR THAT OF ANY COMMUNTIY.

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"4/25: Check out

www.blaqsun.com/warren.html

This rapper can call the police "stupid, dummies, thugs, cops, and dudes"

Should I call this rapper what I feel?  No. I have dignity.

Dear rapper, do some research on the "black males" you feel are stopped by the police for no reason.  Check out their tax receipts.  Drug dealers generally do not file taxes.

You further lyric, "need I remind they beat one they beat us all"

NO WONDER you are all treated alike when you take on someone else's burden and personally relate it to yourself because of your "color of skin, hair and iris".  And those would be words very similar to your SORRY song."
ANGERED TAX PAYING LEGAL CITIZEN
4/27: WIZDOM:Thank you The Lib.,and way to go YO!     Respectfully,WIZDOM
4/27: By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A nearly three-year fight over privacy in White House policy-making is going before a Supreme Court known for guarding its own secrecy.  

Justices were being asked by the Bush administration Tuesday to let it keep private the records of Vice President Dick Cheney's work on a national energy strategy.

The White House is framing the case as a major test of executive power, arguing that the forced disclosure of confidential records intrudes on a president's power to get truthful advice.

At the Supreme Court, which will rule before July, the administration finds a last hope in a dispute that began in July 2001 when a government watchdog group sued over Cheney's private meetings. The case has never gone to trial, but a federal judge ordered the White House to begin turning over records two years ago.

The Bush administration has lost two rounds in federal court. If the Supreme Court makes it three, Cheney could have to reveal potentially embarrassing records just in time for the presidential election.

Watchdog group Judicial Watch and the environmental group Sierra Club want the task force papers made public to see what influence energy industries had in outlining national energy policy.

The Sierra Club accused the administration of shutting environmentalists out of the meetings while catering to energy industry executives and lobbyists.

This one may get very interesting. If it turns out that there was "insider trading" on the national energy policy - think Halliburton cleaning up in Iraq - it could be very embarassing. yo
4/27: yo wizdom - you are confusing me with "say it ain't so" - I did post a "say it ain't so yo, say it ain't so" in reference to thinking you were leaving the forum - but someone else took on the "say it ain't so" moniker with subsequent posts about local issues.
4/27: Who needs a job at Packard Electric when the highest paying jobs in the area are the Administrators at Warren City Schools. Their salaries are unbelieveable! When I went to WWR in High School, we had only ONE Superintendent and about 14,000 students. They have TWO Superintendents now and only about 7,000 students. What's wrong with this picture? Also, the high salaries that were posted in the paper are their wages BEFORE their next 4% raise. And they're closing schools and laying off teachers? OUTRAGEOUS.
4/27: Everyone thats concerned about everyone elses money take comfort in this Ezekiel 7:19

We prepare for parties, going on vacation, going shopping....but we never prepare for leaving earth. All these things that we talk about on this site are generally out of our control. The only way to change any of this is to pray.
4/27: I agree that the system of School Board election is antiquated.  Even the process of election is no longer helpful it appears.  Once they are elected to this sovereign post - power goes to their heads and they forget their purpose - to benefit the children of the district in the educational field.  This entire system needs checks and balances - just like all the rest of us.  They need to have rules and regulations other than the Ohio Revised code that they must follow.  They need to listen to the people who elect them - their wants and desires should be paramount - not their own self centered arrogance and greed.  This is happening at all the schools in this entire county - until these boards become less self empowered.....nothing will change. 
4/27: To the post:4/26: it seems harding high school has the same problem that southington school has,it picked bad brd members and superidents that think of the kids last and their wages, retirement and social positions first.... we need to take our schools back.. and the sooner the better **

We in Southington feel your pain! If you find the answer on how to get your school back, let us know! If your board members are as lousy as ours, don't waste your time on a petition, it won't be recognized!
4/26: I'm sick of all of these union thugs and the politicians that suck up to them.  We should not vote for anyone that Jim Graham, Larry Fauver or any union thug endorses that includes Kerry.
4/26: it seems harding high school has the same problem that southington school has,it picked bad brd members and superidents that think of the kids last and their wages, retirement and social positions first.... we need to take our schools back.. and the sooner the better
4/26: Too many rules, too many new laws, brings too much oposition. No more smoking on the beach, no more hip hugger pants, no spanking your own child, not much more freedom of speech, no drinking beer on your porch, no choice of seat belts, no more tail gateing, no more privacy on the phone or computer, or in the car, no more, no more, no more. And people wonder WHY we have problems! Maybe it's due to others FORCING things on us, making us sick & tired & mad! Where have our freedoms gone? ASK GEORGE W. BUSH!!! Tell the Dubya to give you an HONEST answer without a snotty smirk!
4/26: Support John Kerry ! Today he went down inside the McElroy coal mine in Moundsville, W.Va. It takes alot of nerve to go in there. My family worked there for many years.It's extremely dangerous. Why is it that there are those that can't seem to keep their nose out of other people's business? Who cares what Kerry did with his medals or ribbons! He was 18 yrs. old. Still a kid in a man's shoe, fighting a horrific war that dis-respected the soldiers when they came home. Why do we need to know how much money his wife has from her former husband? She isn't going to run this country! That's the problem with today's world. You just gotta stick your nibby nose where it don't belong. As long as Kerry can bring jobs to us, & proper medical help, & get our soldiers home, I could care less about what else has occured in his life! We are not GOD, therefore can not judge! Bush is the worst President that we have ever had. Look at the problems we have thanks to him! It's a proven fact. He needs to GO!!! VOTE KERRY 4 PRESIDENT!!! Help Kerry put Ohio back on the map! Bush has ruined us. Thank You.
4/26: Carl Diggs! Let him stay in michigan, And take Mario with you!
Soul 45
4/26: WIZDOM:YO,are you saying [name del] committed a theft in office,co mingled illegally obtained stolen funds,misslead Peers and Public,as well as refused assistance to twp./village,/city?Or Altier??I ask for enlightenment on how you might make the S.O.better and you respond with questions and innuendos?I do'nt know of any Indictment,or crimminal charges being filed against either?We must assume innocence untill guilt is proven,do'nt we?As for assisting other Agencies,or Muinicipalities?I'm not certain but I really do,nt believe so!I think the Sheriff,s Office is obliged to run the jail,and are the Coroners Investigators.Providing a road patrol is a bonus when Money is available.As for me speaking Highly of?I merely put the facts before you.If you believe it's Highly to hold a couple college degrees,and be able to shoot the anal orifice out of a skunk at 50 yards,then it is!Look,all this whispering going on aboute the big bad F.B.I.investigations and who is and who is'nt in deep do-do is all speculat